Miscellaneous Questions #17

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How do  I duplicate US Military ammunition when handloading?
What is a vented test barrel?
What does group placement on a target tell the shooter?
Why does the caliber designation of many cartridges differ from the actual bullet diameter?
Is there issued US military shotgun ammunition?
What is the difference between the "Picatiny" (M1913) mounting rail and the "Weaver" mounts?


Q. How do  I duplicate US Military ammunition when handloading?

A. The following are the specifications for US Small Arms ammunition.  If you have a chronograph you simply load the correct weight bullet to the velocity specified.  If you don't have a chronograph (shame on you!) some suggested loads using military brass and bullets are listed.

ALL LOADS USE MILITARY BRASS (except the 9 mm), AND
  MILITARY BULLETS (OR THEIR COMMERCIAL EQUIVALENT).
REDUCE ALL LOADS BY 10% (EXCEPT THE LOAD MARK BY
*) AND WORK UP

Military Ammunition Equivalents

Cartridge Bullet Weight
(gr)
Velocity
f/s
Suggested load(s)
M41 .38 130 950±45 6.3 gr PowerPistol, 5.2 gr Unique or Universal
M882 9 mm 124 1230±50 6.4 gr Accurate #5, 8 gr BlueDot
M1911 .45ACP 230 820±25 5.2 Bullseye
M193 5.56 mm 55 3250±40 26 gr. of H335, 26.5 gr TAC
M855 5.56 mm [for 5.56 NATO chambers ONLY] 62 3020±40 26 gr of TAC 
MK262 5.56 mm [for 5.56 NATO chambers ONLY] 77 2750±30 24.5 gr TAC
M80 7.62 mm 149 2750±20 42.5 IMR4895, 46 grs. 748 or Ball C2
M118 7.62 mm Special Ball 173 2550±30 43 grs. of RL15 or 748
M118 7.62 mm Special Ball LR (Sierra MK bullet) 175 2580±30 42.5 grs. of Varget,
M852 7.62 mm MATCH (Sierra MK bullet) 168 2550±30 41.5 IMR4895
M2 Cal .30** 150-152 2740±30 49 grs. IMR4895
49 gr 748
50 gr IMR4064
M72 Cal .30 MATCH** 173 2640±30 47 gr IMR 4895
47.5 gr 748
47.5 gr IMR 4064
M1 Cal .30 carbine 110 1900±30 14 gr 2400 or 14 gr H-110*
* Do not reduce H110 more than 3%
** Powders list are the best burning rate for use in the M1 Rifle

One supplier of US surplus components is http://www.gibrass.com

Q. What is a vented test barrel?

A.  Originally ammunition for revolvers was pressure and velocity tested in a solid test barrel just like rifle ammunition but using an 8 7/8" (the longest "common" pistol barrel length) barrel.  This method of testing led to results that showed abnormally high velocities, quite beyond what was usually achievable in an actual revolver with its typical .006" - .008" cylinder gap.  In an attempt to generate more realistic velocity date a vented test barrel is now used for revolver ammunition.  The gap is set to .004" and the barrel length is set to a commonly used length for the caliber under test.  While the .004" gap is a bit unrealistic the results are closer to the real world than with a solid barrel.  Typical differences are shown in the table.

Vented test barrel

 

Test Barrel Differences

  4" Revolver 4" Vented
test barrel
8.875" Solid
test barrel
158 gr LSWC +P .38Spl 882 f/s 919 f/s 1042 f/s
158 gr JHP .357 1191 f/s 1257 f/s 1453 f/s

Q. What does group placement on a target tell the shooter?

A. The charts below explain the meanings of group placement.  The descriptions given are for right handed shooters.  For left handed shooters flip the drawings left to right.

Rifle Target Problems

Finger too deep on trigger.  Not pulling the trigger straight back.

Canting the rifle or not having front sight vertical in the same place shot to shot. Bucking the rifle.  Pushing forward of the shoulder in anticipation of recoil. Helping or "heeling" the rifle by  pushing forward slightly with the heel of the firing hand. Focusing on the target and not the front sight.
Lose sling or support elbow sliding. Erratic breathing technique or changing eye relief. Tight group anywhere off the point of aim mean the shooter is making same error consistently or being out of natural position and muscling the rifle into the bullseye. Not following through or anticipating the shot and/or recoil. Jerking the trigger.

 

Pistol Target Problems

Finger too deep on trigger. Riding the recoil. (starting the "recoil" before the pistol fires). Breaking the wrist in anticipation of recoil or relaxing grip at the moment of firing. Helping or "heeling" the pistol by  pushing forward slightly with the heel of the firing hand.
Thumbing.  Pressing the side of the pistol with the thumb at the instant of firing. Tightening grip as the pistol is fired. Jerking the trigger. Focusing on target rather than front sight, inconsistent grip.

Q. Why does the caliber designation of many cartridges differ from the actual bullet diameter?

A. The difference comes from the fact that there are two diameters of interest in a barrel.  There is the bore diameter which is measured from the tops of the lands and there is groove diameter which is measures between the deepest part of the grooves.  Depending on the manufacturer's preference the cartridge may be named from either of these dimensions.  In some cases like the .460 Weatherby, which actually used .458" diameter bullets,  the manufacturer my round up the number for advertising purposes.  The actual bullet dimension is based upon the groove measurement.  

In some cartridges (like the ".38 SPL") the designation may refer to an older design of the cartridge.  The common .38 Spl has a bore diameter of .346 and a groove diameter of  .357.  It's designation is based on the original .38 cartridge, the .38 Long Colt (Navy) which used an oversized outside lubricated bullet of about .378" diameter and a slightly larger bore than current cartridges.  And you wonder why the confusion?

The table below gives some common dimensions.

Cartridge Bore Diameter
(in)
Bore Diameter
(mm)
Groove (Bullet) Diameter
(in)
Groove (Bullet) Diameter
(mm)
.223 Rem .219 5.56 .224 5.68
.243 Win .237 6.01 .243 6.17
.264 Win .255 6.70 .264 6.70
.270 Win .270 6.85 .277 7.03
7 mm Mag .277 7.03 .284 7.21
".30 Caliber"  .300 7.62 .308 7.82
.32 Win .315 8.00 .320 8.12
.338 Wim .330 8.38 .338 8.58
9 mm .346 8.78 .355 9.01
.38SPL/.357 Mag .346 8.78 .357 9.06
.40 / 10 mm .390 9.90 .400 10.16
.41 Mag .399 10.13 .409 10.38
.44 Magnum .417 10.59 .429 - .431* 10.90 - 10.94
.45 Colt .442 11.22 .450 - .454** 11.43 - 11.53
.45 ACP .442 11.22 .450 11.43
*   Current SAAMI is .429"
** Current SAAMI is .450"

Q. Is there issued US military shotgun ammunition?

A.  For the most part commercially produced and procured shotgun ammunition is issued.  There are, however, some type classified rounds issued.  The table below lists the one's I am aware of along with the commercial rounds currently listed in the system.

Designation

Identification

M19  All brass case 00 buckshot
M162 Brass and plastic hi-base 00 buckshot
M257 Brass and plastic hi-base #4 buckshot
M274 Brass and plastic hi-base #4 shot
M1012(AA31) Finned "less lethal" rubber slug. Clear plastic case marked "Rubber Fin Stabilized Non Lethal."
M1013 18 pellets "less lethal" rubber buck shot   Clear plastic case
AA29 Beanbag round.  Clear plastic case marked "Beanbag-Non Lethal"
AA30 Launcher cartridge.  Clear plastic case marked "Launching cartridge."
M1030 Breaching round.  1.4 oz sintered steel projectile.  Brass hi-base clear plastic case
MK246
Mod 0 (A024)
Breaching round.  Red all plastic cartridge 
M35 .410 21/2 inch commercial loading #6 shot
A023 Brass and plastic hi-base commercial 1 oz Slug

AO14

Brass and plastic low base commercial 71/2 shot
AO17 Brass and plastic low base commercial 9 shot
- Dummy.  Clear plastic case with blackened hi-base metal.  Marked "Dummy." 

-

10 gauge commercial blank

Currently the US military is issuing Remington 870s, Mossberg 500 & 590s,  Winchester 1100/1200, and the new M1014 HK/Benelli semi-auto

HK/Benelli M1014

Weight:  8.42 lb
Length:  39.8"/34.9'
Barrel length:  18.5"
Sights:  Ghost rings and Stanag M1913 rail
Magazine Capacity (2 3/4"):  7 (plus 1 in chamber
                                              and 1 on the carrier)

Q. What is the difference between the "Picatinny" (M1913) mounting rail and the "Weaver" mounts?

A. The so called “Picatinny Rail” is a standardized mounting system for small arms accessories used by NATO and the US military. The term “Picatinny” comes from the Picatinny Arsenal located in New Jersey, who developed the official specification known as MIL-STD-1913 which specifies the dimensions and tolerances required.

The cross sectional profile of the  M1913 and Weaver systems are virtually identical.  

The main difference lies in the placement  and the width of the grooves. M1913 grooves are .206” (5.23 mm) wide and have a center-to-center distance of .394” (10 mm). The placement of these grooves has to be consistent in order for it to be a true “Picatinny” M1913 system. Weaver rails have .180” ( 4.57 mm) recoil grooves and are not necessarily consistent in a center-to-center measurement from one groove to the next.  Frequently, a Weaver system has a specific application that it is machined for, so interchangeability is not necessarily an issue. A MIL-STD-1913 system must adhere to the specifications listed  since the military needs uniformity to allow for different systems to be mounted on the weapon without compatibility concerns. 

Accessories designed for a Weaver system will, in most cases, fit on M1913 rails, but the recoil lug of Weaver type mounts may not fully engage the shoulder of the M1913 rail.  Properly spec'd M1913 accessories probably will not fit most Weaver rails.

Drawings from MIL-STD-1913 (AR) 3 February 1995


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Updated 2013-02-09